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Health Care Reform: 13 Tax Changes on the Way

Here are 13 changes in the massive overhaul that could impact your tax bill, for better or worse.

By Joan Pryde, Senior Tax Editor, the Kiplinger letters

October 8, 2010
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The new health care reform law is chock-full of new taxes and tax increases that will affect many individuals and businesses.

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But it will be years before most of these hikes take a bite out of your -- or your company's -- wallet. The law also has tax breaks to help both individuals and small businesses pay for insurance.

1. A new 10% excise tax on indoor tanning services on services provided after June 30, 2010.

2. The new law gives small firms tax credits as incentives to provide coverage, starting this tax year. Employers with 10 or fewer workers and average annual wages of less than $25,000 can receive a credit of up to 35% of their health premium costs each year through 2013. The credit is phased out for firms larger than that and disappears completely if a company has more than 25 employees or average annual wages of $50,000 or more.

Beginning in 2014, the system changes. The law requires each state to establish a health insurance exchange -- a marketplace where individuals, the self-employed and small businesses can buy health insurance coverage. The government-regulated exchanges would offer insurance policies with different levels of coverage and price tags. Small firms that sign up with one of the health exchanges to be created can receive a credit of up to 50% of their costs -- with the same phaseouts for average income and size as the earlier program. The credit disappears after 2015.

3. A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s. Although this was originally required beginning with W-2s for 2011 – those issued early in 2012 – in October, a one-year delay was announced. Employers may voluntarily report the value of health benefits they provide on 2011 W-2s, but this will not be mandatory until the 2012 forms. The amount reported is not considered taxable income.

4. Elimination of a deduction employers now take for providing Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage to their retirees to the extent that the federal government subsidizes the coverage. This will not take effect until 2013.

5. Doubling the penalty for nonqualified distributions from health savings accounts, to 20%, beginning in 2011.

6. A limit on the amount that employees can contribute to health care flexible spending accounts to $2,500 a year, but the cap won’t take effect until 2013. This was previously left to the employer's discretion, with many firms choosing a limit of $4,000 to $5,000 or so

7. A ban on using funds from flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts for the cost of over-the-counter medications, starting in 2011.

8. Starting in 2013, a 0.9% Medicare surtax will apply to wages in excess of $200,000 for single taxpayers and over $250,000 for married couples. Also, for the first time ever, a Medicare tax will apply to investment income of high earners. The 3.8% levy will hit the lesser of (1) their unearned income or (2) the amount by which their adjusted gross income exceeds the $200,000 or $250,000 threshold amounts. The new law defines unearned income as interest, dividends, capital gains, annuities, royalties, and rents. Tax-exempt interest won’t be included, nor will income from retirement accounts.

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9. A hike in the 7.5% floor on itemized deductions for medical expenses to 10%, beginning in 2013. But taxpayers age 65 and over are exempt from the cutback through 2016.

10. A new 40% excise tax, beginning in 2018, on high-cost health plans, levied on the portion that exceeds $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The provision is aimed mostly at gold-plated plans offered by employers, although it can affect individual policies

11. A new tax on individuals who don't obtain adequate health coverage by 2014 -- this is often referred to as the individual mandate. The tax is to be phased in over three years, starting at the greater of $95, or 1% of income, in 2014, and rising to the greater of $695, or 2.5% of gross income, in 2016.

12. Providing a refundable tax credit, once the individual mandate takes effect in 2014, to help low-income folks purchase coverage. To be eligible, a person's household income must be between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level, generally around $11,000 to $44,000 for singles and $22,000 to $88,000 for families. The credit is a sliding scale, based on income. Low-incomers get a credit for all costs. Then, as income rises, the credit phases out.

13. A nondeductible fee charged to businesses with 50 or more employees if the firms fail to offer adequate coverage. The fee will equal $2,000 times the number of employees, though it won’t count the first 30 workers in that calculation.



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Posted by: JoeS at 03/24/2010 01:04:25 PM

Nothing is free, and the overall benefit of having people getting health care beforee needing critical care at emergency rooms should help limit costs. My father spent all his savings, then reverse mortgaged his home to pay for uncovered medical expenses of my stepmother. He lost everything and died in a nursing home because he didn't want to be a burden to me. If I can spare that to others, I'm willing to pay higher taxes!

Posted by: JL at 03/24/2010 01:23:31 PM

10% tax on tanning services? That explains why John Boehner was so passionately against it. Now it will cost him 10% more to be the house minority carrot.

Posted by: JD at 03/24/2010 01:57:22 PM

Addendum: the "Cadillac Tax" is not indexed to inflation, and even at present amounts, a typical working professional at a big company's plan already falls under this category. The corporate rank-and-file across America will suddenly cost their employers thousands more than they did before, UNLESS their coverage gets a significant downgrade. How do you think that will play out? Oh wait, even Obama and the CBO have said they expect that. Possible irony - while all our plans are cut, the plans that lower income people buy with our tax subsidies might, in fact, be BETTER than ours!

Posted by: C west at 03/24/2010 06:58:27 PM

MY COMMENT ON something Posted by: JD at 03/24/2010 01:57:22 PM Addendum: the "Cadillac Tax" is not indexed to inflation, and even at present amounts, a typical working professional at a big company's plan already falls under this category. The corporate rank-and-file across America will suddenly cost their employers thousands more than they did before, UNLESS their coverage gets a significant downgrade. How do you think that will play out? Oh wait, even Obama and the CBO have said they expect that. Possible irony - while all our plans are cut, the plans that lower income people buy with our tax subsidies might, in fact, be BETTER than ours! )( MY COMMENT ON JD'S oh so expert comment on HIS CADILLAC POLICY! ) BUT LUCKY YOU, JD! YOU STILL GET A LOVELY LIFE STYLE because THOSE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE DON'T GET THE LOVELY LIFE STYLE THAT YOU GET! GEEZZ THOSE HIgher income people WHO GOT IT ALL DON'T GET IT WHY THOSE Lower Income People WHO DON'T GET IT , get tax subsidies thta might, in fact, be BETTER than you higher income people!!! DO YOU GET IT????????? THIS IS SOUNDING MORE AND MORE LIKE CULTURAL CLASS WAR!

Posted by: Mary Finley at 03/24/2010 07:11:52 PM

My friend lost her Medicaid coverage when one month in 2008 when she made a few dollars too much. She was dropped by the state...less than 4 months later she suffered a massive heart attack...cost the state over $100,000 to medivac, quadruple by-pass, 2 weeks in the hospital and she was not able to work until the last few months....Would have been way cheaper to provide health insurance so she could have afforded the heart meds! Another friend got pneumonia in an Asian country (don't remember was either Japan or S. Korea), spent a week in the hospital. Cost: $ZERO. Why can't we have what the rest of the First World provides its citizens? Health care should not be controlled by BIG BUSINESS (health insurance companies, drug companies)! It's shameful!

Posted by: S at 03/25/2010 08:23:24 AM

Go ahead, expand medicare. Who in the past has denied more insurance claims than anyone else?>>>>>>>>>>Medicare, medicaid. Have fun in your new program

Posted by: DM at 03/25/2010 09:10:03 AM

With the exception of one comment so far, the posts seem to be the typical "cry me a river" sob story. They believe we're suppose to change our entire healthcare system based on antidotes. Thus, the debate continues between rational libertarians/conservatives and emotional liberals/socialists. The teardrops are always willing to make a "personal decision" that EVERYONE ELSE is OK with paying for a new government program. The trial lawyers will still sue, and the number of doctors will continue to decline. And so the Producers will continue to provide for the Parasites .... until the Hosts die. Welcome to utopia where everyone is EQUALLY miserable and poor. No one in the castle will care about your stories then, comrade.

Posted by: ET at 03/25/2010 10:33:50 AM

i agree with DM. certainly there are stories that are painful. however, many people refuse to pay for health insurance, because they don't want to. they refuse to take personal responsibility. they prefer to spend their money elsewhere. certainly those who cannot afford it, need some type of help. new law caps HSA at $2500.00 per year. that simply means we will pay more out of pocket. why cap it? so we cannot take advantage of tax break. this bill will be a tremendous cost to the insured. no way out.

Posted by: Johnny Dugan at 03/25/2010 10:55:34 AM

Why the tax on tanning beds? Is it so only rich Dems can tan? Obama Deville, Obama Deville, if he doesn't scare you, no evil thing will!

Posted by: DM at 03/25/2010 11:31:11 AM

Margaret Thatcher said it best, "The problem with Socialism is you always run out of other people's money."

Posted by: GK at 03/25/2010 11:37:14 AM

Joe, If you lived in an ideal world, you could pay the extra taxces to cover your family healthcare costs. But, what you support is mandating every taxpayer pay for your family insurance; that is not liberty.

Posted by: LEF at 03/25/2010 03:02:41 PM

Who benefits from this change? •A ban on using funds from flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts for the cost of over-the-counter medications, starting in 2011. If the government isn't going to allow me to use this money for over-the-counter medications, then the rules need to be changed to allow me to roll-over any leftover funds to the next fund year or refunded to me instead of going to the governments' coffers.

Posted by: FreeLoader at 03/25/2010 03:07:18 PM

I will be looking into dropping my company-provided insurance and getting on the govt insurance plan. I figure I will be able to save myself several thousand dollars a year just for premiums. Hey, if they're gonna stick the govt teat out there, I'm going to start sucking on it. In fact, I may divorce my wife on paper and have her apply for food stamps and welfare. She should be able to bring in more than her salary just by being a single mom. Then she wouldnt have to work and I might be getting some of my tax dollars back. Thanks Obama! Now I dont have to worry about paying my mortgage! :)

Posted by: RH at 03/25/2010 03:21:22 PM

ET just to clarify the new bill doesn't limit contribution to a Health Savings Account(HSA) they limit contributions to a Flexible Spending Account (FSA) which is different and not as good as a HSA in my opinion. A FSA limits are currently set by an employer and has to be used in year the contribution is made. An HSA is used with a high deductible health plan and funding limits are set by the IRS currently $3,050 for single and $6,150 for married/family. Any balance not used rolls over from year to year.

Posted by: mike phipps at 03/25/2010 07:45:37 PM

joeS Limiting health means you die. Nothing in this bill helps what happened to you dad. It means we can't afford healthcare. The cost is not going to go down it is going away. I want to see the look on your face when you have to pay $5000 on April 15 because your W-2 says your health insurance cost is $25000 so that is taxable income. the problem you or going to have is the same because the medical coverage will still be uncovered because the insurance will not be provided. You'll have to pay for supplemental insurance plans to cover your healthcare. YOur employer will not buy it for you anymore because there will be a 40% excise tax on the type of coverage that might have been available to you or your DAD.

Posted by: Tom at 03/25/2010 08:57:50 PM

How old was your father, Joe? Was he a Medicare beneficiary? Under Obamacare, we will all be on Medicare and will not have access to quality medical services. My heart bleeds as much as anyone's, but no matter how you judge the merits of this program, the simple fact is that it will bankrupt the country in a very short time. And when that happens, "equalit"y will have a whole new meaning. The sensible thing to do is for thinking Americans to strongly advocate a repeal of this bill, and replace it with something that makes sense.

Posted by: LM at 03/25/2010 11:13:17 PM

JL - this is hilariious! :) 10% tax on tanning services? That explains why John Boehner was so passionately against it. Now it will cost him 10% more to be the house minority carrot.

Posted by: cancer patient at 03/26/2010 12:25:14 AM

I have a life long cancer and need daily medication and expensive yearly testing for the rest of my time. My insurance must greatly exceed a paltry $8500.00 per year. I am 50 so I hope it will be at least another 20 years I will need insurance. Thanks to this absurd health care bill, my reward for working hard and paying premiums for 30 years is 40 percent tax added to my premiums! Obama and crew want nothing more than to bankrupt middle America to create their socialist utopia. Where is the outrage? In reply to Joe S you are right Joe nothing is free. My Dad died in a home too but we paid for it out of pocket. I dont want and should never expect to to have Govt. rob someone else to pay my families obligations. So let everyone EARN and pay their own way as I do and quit preying on people who have made something in their lives.

Posted by: David at 03/26/2010 03:33:55 AM

I already make minimum wage and live (barely) from paycheck to paycheck. Now I'm going to have to pay for this ... - "A new tax on individuals who don’t obtain adequate health coverage by 2014" - Perhaps I'll get lucky and die before then; but, then, I can't afford that either...or perhaps sanity will return to these United (not much any more) States. If I could afford it, I'd leave this government-owned country!

Posted by: KT at 03/26/2010 01:09:27 PM

I was totally against this but I'm going to take advantage of the new "system." Can't beat 'em join 'em as they say. I've already reduced my income by working fewer hours per week and my husband has done the same. This helps the small company we work for and keeps us below the income threshold that will take the big hit. We may even qualify for assistance in our health insurance purchase in 2014 if we continue to downsize our lifestyle (pay off our home, grow our own food, entertain at home, etc.) as we head towards retirement. The wealthier friends we have are doing their own planning - moving their assets and business investments to other countries, planning to retire earlier or semi-retire to reduce their personal income, etc. Everyone has a strategy and if you plan well you can take advantage of it too. Small business will struggle the most and lose the most it seems. This is how it is in Europe it seems where having a small business is usually a one man/woman show as what we would call a "contractor." They can't afford to employ people because the costs and redtape is so challenging.

Posted by: Hmm at 03/26/2010 05:57:58 PM

Might be a good time to start learning a second/third language...

Posted by: Chuck at 03/27/2010 05:29:30 PM

I guess the price of liberty in our society is giving the vote to the idiots, in most cases, we elect to represent us. Look at every liberal of this century, they don't walk the talk, they "tell" us what is best for us but live a double standard. Working men and women are left holding the bill.

Posted by: David at 03/27/2010 09:50:18 PM

I went to night school and earned a degree so I could get a better job with benefits. Used to be this way 40 years ago. So much for working hard to get ahead. If I had a medical condition that was costly and needed special services, I would make it on my own and NOT expect anyone but myself to pay for it? What kind of shit is it for other people to assume my financial responsibilities??? I also worked about 700 hours overtime last year because the work was available and I get paid for it. When these higher taxes get to me, I am going to 40 hours a week and not a SECOND overtime so that the gov't can tax...it? How many other people are going to do that? A LOT!!!

Posted by: N at 03/28/2010 06:09:27 PM

"•Providing a refundable tax credit, once the individual mandate takes effect in 2014, to help low-income folks purchase coverage. To be eligible, a person’s household income must be between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level, generally around $11,000 to $44,000 for singles and $22,000 to $88,000 for families." This is very misleading. Under the law, only people who buy insurance via exchanges (to be established by 2014) are eligible for this tax credit. If you buy insurance through your employer or through a program like Medicare or Medicaid, you are not eligible for the tax credit. I wasn't allowed to post links but you can read about this in March 20's Christian Science Monitor and on sites like Deloitte or the Kaiser Foundation.

Posted by: JW at 03/29/2010 08:34:38 AM

I am planing on retiring in about 2 years. Just in time to get told by the new Obamacare that I and my wife are too old to spend much money on for our health care. My wife needs two knee replacments but has been waiting till she is is at least 60. Doctors told her to wait as long as she can because joint replacements usually only last 20 years and the replacements keeping getting better. I guess now big goverment will tell her she is too old to be worth the $75,000 for the replacements even though she has worked 38 years and paid in hugh amounts of taxes since we both work and have made a gross income of about $100,000 per year for about the last 7 years. We have health insurace thru our employer all ways but also have had to pay on this insurace for the last 10 years. If you have worked hard to have a good life for your self now the goverment is going to screw you. Thanks democrats.

Posted by: Timothy-AS at 03/29/2010 07:37:28 PM

yall dont understand,...this health care reform is a power grab for the governement, making everyone buy health Insurance is unconstitutional. The Repubs filed a suit 7 mins after "barry soetoro" signed the bill, and if this legal suit fails it will bankrupt the states leave the government to come in and run the states..expanding the government even bigger. America has been in a peaceful revolution for years now, but im afraid if the patriots of america fail in this suit there will be a non peaceful revolution..

Posted by: Retired Investor at 03/30/2010 09:13:51 AM

The House defines unearned income as interest, dividends, capital gains, annuities, royalties and rents. Tax-exempt interest would not be included, nor would income from retirement accounts.... What if One is Early retired has taxable accounts as their Primary income source? They can Put $ into a IRA or ROTH with those Profits? My Taxable Treasuries made over 13% in 08' and can't put a dime of it into a IRA or Roth...At least Let me Put the $ into a ROTH... But I can't, since it is UnEarned Income...What a Bunch of BS!

Posted by: MadAsHell at 03/30/2010 03:48:02 PM

Joe, your dad did what we all should do: take individual responsibility for ourselves. I'm sorry for his misfortune but applaud his ethics and morality. The problem with (supposedly) sparing others from this sacfice is that a. it is imposed, rather than willingly given, as in your case, and b. it won't work. As you can clearly see by reading the comments here, those who might have taken individual responsibility will now instead feed from the government teat. I promise you that you will see an avalanch of people in this group. Remember these words:"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always to be followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years." -- Alexander Woodhouselee Obama promised. 55% of "We the people" voted themselves largesse. Here we are. How does it feel to witness the collapse of the world's greatest nation?

Posted by: R. M. at 03/30/2010 10:54:35 PM

President Obama is doing a good job as many people soon say but due to his ethnic heritage and family profile, a great number of churches and citizens alike are considering him a God and Prophet....This is the world in which we live in today.

Posted by: DAVE at 03/31/2010 01:30:29 PM

No meaningful reform will come until America does like every other country...make it ILLEGAL for insurance companies to profit from basic health insurance policies. Profiting form sickness is immoral. This plan just handed insurance companies millions of more customers because of mandates. Nothing has changed other than big business and big government marching hand in hand into the brave new world of healthcare. This is not socialism, it is Fascism.

Posted by: IPA at 03/31/2010 03:15:49 PM

Welcome to the USSA

Posted by: John at 03/31/2010 04:56:24 PM

The problem with the plan is in the name. Government run health care. Individuals, qualified or otherwise, appointed by individuals, qualified or otherwise, appointed as a result of their political contacts, deciding what treatment you may have, deciding what drugs you will be permitted to receive and deciding how much your doctor of choice will be paid by the plan. Government run. Are you all nuts, can you think of anything the government does, (under the control of either party), efficiently or properly? How about the SEC, oh never mind, how about Medicare, oh never mind, how about Social Security. There used to be what was called the "Social Security Trust Fund" It was started the same way as Obamacare. Collect the money necessary to fund the plan several years before the plan kicks in and put that money into a trust fund to pay the cost of the fund. That worked until one day (not too long ago) the Government decided that because it did not have enough money to spend, it would simply raid the Social Security Trust Fund and spend it. There was more than enough money in the Trust Fund to fund Social Security and now there is nothing. Now with the financial future of Social Security very much in doubt, the Government ingores that fact and instead of taking the necessary steps to secure the future of Social Security enacts Obamacare. Government run. To those who support the plan, will you feel the same when we have another George Bush Republician in the white house running the program? To be sure, that day will come and you will have yourself to blame.

Posted by: Jane at 03/31/2010 05:06:43 PM

Please fight the short term memory of the electorate on this issue. Don't send money to any political party but talk to your neighbors and co-workers to motivate them to make change. November is a long way away.

Posted by: hmmm at 03/31/2010 05:20:46 PM

The government talking heads and so called knowledgeable pundits are claiming " nearly everyone will be required to have some type of health insurance or face penalties". Could someone out there tell me who the not nearly everyone people specifically?

Posted by: Jack at 03/31/2010 07:49:32 PM

"the overall benefit of having people getting health care beforee needing critical care at emergency rooms should help limit costs" A myth - in Massachusetts, emergency room visits have gone UP 17% since the institution of the health care plan there.

Posted by: Jack at 03/31/2010 07:56:23 PM

"Who benefits from this change? •A ban on using funds from flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts for the cost of over-the-counter medications, starting in 2011" Who benefits? - The taxman, of course. Certainly not the taxpayers. HSA/FSA's are a great way to TRULY make health care more affordable - and so the government shows its true colors by cutting them back. What a cruel joke on the American people.

Posted by: PhillyFan at 04/01/2010 03:35:58 AM

Undoubtedly, the quality of care will go down, but we need to ration care and having the government control health care for the people is the only way to do this. We need to let some people die in order to avert the future fiscal crisis that we face.

Posted by: MH at 04/01/2010 03:05:36 PM

The excise tax is unlikely to cause massive downgrades. I work in the benefits department for a fortune 500. Other than the top 1% of our employees the highest policies we pay for average $7k. The average annual % change over the last 5 years I've worked here was significantly less than inflation (about 0.7%). All this talk of people getting worse coverage is poorly founded considering the facts.

Posted by: Char at 04/02/2010 06:12:19 PM

Some of us have hoped this day would come and grieved the times health reform has been delayed. I happen to think the health of the working poor is to my benefit. (I'm privately insured and in the upper middle class.) Why? Because healthy people are more productive, helpful, and satisfied; in other words, more ready to be good citizens of our community.

Posted by: Chris at 04/06/2010 02:33:00 PM

Re: 3. A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011. Is this just Informational or is it going to be added to your Gross Wages? Thanks. Best Regards, Chris

Posted by: MikeS at 04/06/2010 05:31:28 PM

I will never vote Democrat again. And this from a life-long Democrat.

Posted by: VSilky at 04/07/2010 01:39:04 PM

Help me to understand, how this Health Care Bill helps the average American? The newly opposed taxes that will be charged for not having sufficient health care is ludicrous. If people can't afford the health-care now, how will they afford to pay the penalties? So we need to hold Congress accountable for making this plan work. We need affordable rents, and more jobs, so people can afford to pay. The cost of health care for working people is too high, you pay a premium at work, the job pays a portion, and you pay a co-pay, then you still get a bill for 20% of what your bill is... Where is the money going and why we still have to pay???? If you are paying for these fees then no other charges should apply... WE the people need a reform that works.. Cut costs not continuely raise costs to drive people to homelessness, joblessness, and poverty.. Without the people their will be nothing left for the world.. Stand UP and look at what's happening to US!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Posted by: REALLY?????? at 04/07/2010 02:46:11 PM

Yay to number 13! Boo to number 7!

Posted by: Max80919 at 04/07/2010 03:39:36 PM

This is not "reform". The system is being Shang-hi'ed by gov't. Rather than 30 million or 48 million or what ever number, 310 million will now be screwed. Rather than raise the welath of this country, the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives are dumbing down the economy. More taxes to a gov't that has shown it is NOT responsible with OUR money, it is OUR money, not THEIRS is reasonable? Really? What trust fund for Social Security? The SEC when told about Bernie Madoff didn't deal with his fraud. Medicare/Medicaid runs a fraud rate of $50B/year and is well documented. Social Security WAS the ultimate Ponzi scheme only to be trumphed by this slop.

Posted by: Tom at 04/07/2010 04:31:58 PM

Let me get this straight, if I have really good medical insurance, I will be taxed. If I don't have medical insurance I will be taxed. If I have "accepted" medical insurance I will be taxed on it. If I work I will be taxed. BUT if I were an ILLEGAL I will have all of the above without paying any taxes and I will be able to have money left over to send "HOME" and that is not the USA. Priceless

Posted by: A.M.R. at 04/08/2010 06:09:14 PM

This is Socialism and Communism. This needs to stop now. This is Unconstitutional and we all should call and demand all 50 States, STOP this NOW. It is illegal to pass something, that you don't even know what was in the 2000+ pages. Are they all on dope. They said "Let's pass this to see whats in it." How unlawfull. Midwest and furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris at 04/08/2010 07:41:23 PM

Reading these comments is depressing: the same Us v. Them attitude with little rational discussion --just criticism-- that has permeated the entire debate. Please consider this: under our current health care system[?], 50 to 60% of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills; 75% of those bankrupted by medical bills were insured. Will legislating health care succeed? I don't know; but I do know that we pay more for medical care than most of the rest of the world; and that our medical care is rated at the bottom of the heap.

Posted by: Dan Chicago South Side at 04/08/2010 07:57:00 PM

Congressional Demorats worked for the Executive Branch, not the people, in passing this. They were bribed with OUR money by the president. Their party leaders are 'poverty pimps'. They have bribed their voters, again using OUR money, into abusing temporary social safety nets as a primary and permanent way of life. The "uninsured" all had access to health care. They want YOUR health care. Between Section 8 rent, Aid-to-Dependent-Children and Link Card/food stamps, a mother of two in my neighborhood is collecting the equivalent of $36,000 cash yearly . Or about the same "take home" pay of someone working for $50,000 a year. I'm 52 and have paid taxes on my employment since I was 10 years old. I've never been paid $50,000 a year. Why should I work to pay for that? It is clearly no longer "the haves versus the have-nots", but 'The Takers versus The Taken'.

Posted by: Caron at 04/10/2010 07:28:56 PM

All these complainers should just WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT..you won't be penalized...I have been Carefully reading my tax books...State and Fed...Wow what a deal ...the rest of you pay taxes we don't. I am wondering now if we will pay taxes on our Very Cadillac plans...Oh I forgot..that won't be done till 2017...the rest of you are paying for everything. before you get your insurance CUT... As a Fed worker I am not worried..and by the way..THANKS FOR ALL THOSE BENEFITS...you all are NICE EMPLOYERS and I just enjoy the little I pay for any thing for you all. It is the new age of Slavery..Suckers are born every day...

Posted by: B.S. at 04/12/2010 06:50:50 PM

The anger I feel toward this "healthcare reform" garbage is beyond words. Like many Americans and like my parents before me. I did and continue to do the right thing. I worked hard went to grad school, saved money, nothing on credit, got married went to church etc.. I am so angry that my own govt. decides to punish us hard working americans and continue to reward those who contibute nothing to this country. Why is the govt. willing to give away free healthcare when many people who abuse and use our healthcare system refuse to to make the right decisions in their own life for care? Why should I who work out, eat properly, and only go the doctor for annual check ups have to pay for someone who is obese, diabetic (obese), high blood pressure, CHF, etc.. and for those who continue to have children they cannot afford? Why should I have to pay for someone who wants to keep they elderly parent on life support despite the fact that they have no quality of life left? Why should I have to pay for medications for people with so many health ailments, that if they had followed simple instructions in life they would be healthy? Medicaid, medicare, and welfare should be eleminated. People need to be more responsible for themselves and thier children. Obama is a disgrace and I fault the republicans as well for this fiasco. All I can say is welcome to the new Welfare States of America. Finally, ask yourself...Do you not have the right to keep what you earn? Do we also have the right to have a say in where our money goes? What does it say when our govt. is willing to give away money to greedy corporations who stole from the public and to those who do not pay their fair share in taxes?

Posted by: B.S. at 04/12/2010 06:56:09 PM

One more thing...for those who remember their history.."Was not the revolutionary war fought to free us from "taxation without representation". Last time I checked WE ARE ALL BEING TAXED and our legislators in Washington are not representing us at all.

Posted by: B.S. at 04/12/2010 07:01:46 PM

I guess the best thing to do to really get back at the govt. Is we send back all the illegals, cut off immigration, quit our jobs and get on welfare. If we did this we most surely would bankrupt the idiots in Washington.

Posted by: Jim at 04/14/2010 09:50:59 AM

Joe S is correct in say "Nothing is free" but why don't we have a choice. I think it is great Joe want to pay higher taxes but I am going to have to pay them with no questions asked. I think everyone agreed the system was broke but this fix will make it 10 times worse.

Posted by: Mitch at 04/15/2010 01:19:01 AM

One of the bottom lines (so many of them) is why, for the love of whomever, is health insurance so tied to, pretty much, employment? This most bizarro concept is killing us. It is NOT a privilege to have health insurance but it is a right. Lose your job, tough, you lose your health and maybe your life. It's absolutely absurd that those who, through no fault of their own, are now unemployed (bad enough) but also after COBRA expires will be walking around like the living dead (i.e. no health insurance). Thank goodness I still have my good job (at least for now that is) . AM I THE ONLY EVERY DAY JOE THAT SEES THIS??? WE NEED A PUBLIC OPTION NOW TO COMPETE WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES!!! Those who lose coverage will not only get sicker but that, in turn, will increase costs for those who are lucky enough to have a j-o-b/insurance. Don't tell me about the freakin' 'exchanges'. The idiots in Congress are making the unemployed wait 4 years for the 'exchanges' to take affect. These good people need help NOW!!! There is not a stitch wrong with having a public option to choose from to compete against the costly private insurers currently ripping off the unemployed.

Posted by: PJ at 05/03/2010 12:15:09 PM

My wife manages medical insurance billing. Her clients do not accept Medicaid because it does not pay enough to cover costs for services. Medicare vs "insurance companies" - note that my clients are pulling out of Medicare because services rendered do not result in payment from Medicare. Insurance companies, on the other hand, with few exceptions pay the first time paperwork is submitted. We better get prepared for rationed healthcare because it's coming. The healthcare legislation is the biggest scam pulled by our government since the colonists bought Manhattan from the native Americans for a box of beads. We've been had and most Americans don't appreciate how we have been screwed.

Posted by: tangouniform at 05/04/2010 02:57:44 PM

Bottom line in all this argument of insurance company profitting from medical care is that your wonderful, benevolent government mandated that insurance company's cover all this mess...it started out as "hospitalization" insurance, so that you could get major healtcare covered without going bankrupt. Then it slowly worked it's way into an annual checkup, when those costs should be borne on the individual. It isn't about medicine or better health care or making everybody healthy, this whole argument is about government control of our lives. They are on that path, like nazi's, and you're about to lose a Liberty you never even realized you had. Self Reliance is a dirty word to a liberal/socialist/communist. You getting to think for yourself is against the laws of liberals. You want a nanny to take care of you? Fine, you are going to get a nanny that can't cook, never cleans, screams you to bed at night, takes everything you have, encroaches on your Liberty and Freedom with every passing day to take away a little bit more, changes the "rules" you thought you signed up for, imposes rules that are irrational, destroys the "famil"y values and gives you back a feral mix of atheistic garbage that will soon convince you that everyone else is out to get you. Thanks for voting you morons! You can have all that FREE stuff you want, but when there is no one to actually DELIVER that FREE medicine you think you're going to get, you'll finally realize far, far too late that nothing is free, and the price of regaining your Freedom and Liberty is terribly expensive. Trouble is that you morons ripped apart our Nation to get something you didn't earn. But, I bet you tote a cell phone, an iPod, cable TV, car payment, credit card debt, tattoos, cigarettes, expensive clothes yet you won't pay for health insurance.

Posted by: MrE at 05/11/2010 01:29:25 PM

Interesting factoid: the new tax on individuals who don't obtain adequate health coverage by 2014 (often referred to as the individual mandate) is unenforceable. The legislation prohibits enforcement or collections. According to testimony by the IRS chief, the only tool they could potentially use is to deduct the penalty from a tax refund - if there is one. Other than that, they can send a bunch of toothless letters.

Posted by: AC at 05/24/2010 11:47:11 AM

I am one of those strange people that believe you should live within your means. That said, I do not have a Princeton education and I understand my position in life. It was and is my choice how to live. Part of those decisions are to choose how much and to what my funds are spent on, so I have prioritized mrtg, bills of my own doing, and other self caused responsibilities. It did not include Health Insurance due to the cost, I am not complaining but just saying..If you live in a Capitalist Society, it does not mean we should all drive a Mercedes, live in a Million dollar house, and become one of the "You owe me" because you live here. What I am saying is it should choice should be mine and mine alone and the consequences are mine as well on what to spend my income on. Now with the "New Health-care Program" I will be forced to pay over and over and over taxes on items I can barely afford now!! How does that make any-ones life better??? I am sure though that the next new "Benefit" will of course be free housing for those of us who will no longer be able to even keep the lights on at night and will be sent to Govt. run housing camps. Oh and guess who will have to pay for that as well..... anyone who is left standing with their hand out to receive a paycheck for 30% less after taxes and twice the work. Americans.....WE ARE IN TROUBLE HERE!!!! Please lool past today and consider what tomorrow will look like.

Posted by: Wendell at 05/24/2010 10:16:36 PM

Wow, thanks for the good news. Socialism at its best.

Posted by: JohnR at 05/27/2010 08:03:01 PM

The federal government has delegated power to tax income and certain forms of economic activity but there is no delegated power for them to tax economic inactivity not buying something. If they call it a "tax" they lack a delegated power to levy it for the CAUSE of not having insurance: the reason for a tax is not and cannot be immaterial to the methodology collecting it. Additionally, the federal government has no delegated power to criminalize not participating in a commercial activity for persons among the several States (it does have some power to enact Rules and Regulations in D.C, the Territories or as regards the USE of a federal accommodation). So if they dance around the tax issue and call it a "fine" they are imposing it in many cases where they've no power to write Rules and Regulations. Either way, #11 is flatly unconstitutional.

Posted by: Lisa C. at 05/28/2010 05:07:34 PM

Ms. Pryde failed to include on #10 that the excise tax will be paid by the COVERAGE PROVIDER. There is an email circulating that this tax will be imposed on the employee, however, in Title IX, on page 5, line 19 under "(c) Liability to Pay Tax", it says (beginning on line 20): "(1) In General - Each coverage provider shall pay the tax imposed by subsection 9a) on its applicable share of the excess benefit with respect to an employee for any taxable period."

Posted by: GeorgeF at 05/29/2010 08:52:47 AM

The taxes discussed here are only the beginning. The middle class will be hit because costs are going to be massively higher partially because the uninsured are not going to buy insurance until they are sick. You are very unaware to think this is a good thing...it is going to bankrupt America and the younger generation will be forced into a meager future because of this bill. JoeS, who is willing to pay higher taxes will get his wish. Tax rates for everyone are going massively higher unless it gets repealed and replaced with a more thoughtful bill that actually controls costs vs spreading coverage. By the way, many doctors are going to refuse Medicare patients...try finding a doctor that thinks this is a good idea.

Posted by: Jamie at 05/31/2010 01:30:07 PM

I have been working for 39 years. Just a few weeks ago my employer told me that if I didn't start working part time they would lay me off. Being a productive member of society, I chose to start working part time and maybe when the economy got better they will ask me to work full time again. My problem is that in 18 months I will not have affordable insurance. I have gotten some quotes of 1200.00 - 1500.00 per month because I have had asthma since childhood. I have never been hospitalized because of it. Even the cobra insurance being offered to me is 757.00 per month. I can't afford all this working part time. I will look for another job full time, but I need help. I am not finding help though. I went to the job and family services website and looked into applying for assistance. It appeared to me that there was no help there. If I was an illegal immigrant I could get help. But a productive member of society that just needs temporary help with health care costs is screwed. Where do I turn? What is the definition of affordable healthcare? How much is that? I know I am not going to be able to maintain my present situation for long. I need help!!!

Posted by: Mark Willen at 06/03/2010 04:54:27 PM

Hello, Mark Willen, Senior Editor for the Kiplinger Letter here. The new health law requires that employers start reporting the value of the health benefits you get on your W-2 form for 2011 (the one youll receive in January 2012). But the benefits will not be added to your taxable income, and youll pay no additional tax. The requirement is a hassle and expense for employers, but its aim, according to sponsors, is to help. The idea is that if workers know how much their employers actually pay for health benefits, theyll work harder to keep costs down and be more understanding when pay raises are modest. Some folks fear that even if the law doesnt require taxing benefits now, it will eventually. To them, reporting the value of the benefit is just a first step that will lead inevitably to taxation. Perhaps. Taxing benefits is certainly a possibility down the road. In fact, Sen. John McCain of Arizona proposed exactly that when he was the GOP presidential candidate in 2008. But claiming that the tax is a done deal is simply false. For now, at least, that health benefit line youll see on your W-2 is strictly informational. Read more about how our reporting got twisted in an email campaign in my column here: http://www.kiplinger.com/columns/washington/archives/no-health-benefits-wont-be-taxed-.html

Posted by: OBAMACARE at 06/06/2010 10:54:26 AM

it starts in 2018. 40% . number 10 this is a bunch of CRAP!!!!!!!

Posted by: Paul M. at 06/07/2010 12:41:27 PM

So far it is working, everyone is jawing about it instead of DOING, about it. Not one Govt. official has the balls to function as he/she was elected to. You could put anyone of them in a sealed, rubber lined room along with two stainless steel balls, and in five minutes they would break one and loose the other. Repeal the Bill, Elect new blood to the various offices or there may fresh blood on the ground. Patriots and idiots alike. Re-elect nobody!! End professional politicians, lobbyists. These officials are HIRED by us, they can be FIRED by us. Leave the gods out of this flaylex, this is about the U.S. Taxpayer gettin dry-shagged again by the wonderful ones we elected. "We have the best government money can buy." Get out the K.Y. jelly, this is gonna hurt!!

Posted by: bren at 06/08/2010 02:09:31 AM

Well boys and girls...thanks to our current prez, class warfare is an issue, and I mean everyone down to those of us on the bottom of the ladder, the "middleclass wannabe's". I worked my ___ off for under grad then grad degree so that I could make enough money to comfortably support my family. I am not talking about eating out a lot or trips to Disney World, I mean being able to pay for necessities every month with some to spare for a rainy day. So now, thanks to BO, I will be loosing ground, enough so that I might not be able to afford to stay in my almost paid for house. Enough ground that I will never get to retire (hmmm, probably one of the goals). And you know what? If I loose everything due to my poor choices, it is on me. If I loose everything because our country's elected officials have decided to how best to spend too much of my hard earned $, it is time to cut our losses and start over. I mean really start over. I should be the poster child for government hand outs, single mom, kids, elderly parents to care for, absent ex who doesn't pay child support, ond oh yes, a "minorit"y. But elected officials, you had better put women like me on your radar because I vote. I DETEST what the current admin is doing to our country. I DETEST the fact that it is destroying the legacy that our Fathers and their Fathers fought and died to protect; my future, my childrens furture and on and on.....I will take care of myself thank you very much, just get the HELL out of my way.

Posted by: TomR at 06/08/2010 03:31:00 PM

One aspect that many have missed is that many of the things that diabetics need to survive are actually over the counter items. Not just test strips (which cost about $1 EACH, can be used once, and you need between 3 and 6 PER DAY of) but the needles that are used to get the sample for the test, the syringes, and even the INSULIN are all over the counter items. If you shop around for price (my insulin costs $25 at WalMart, $67 at CVS) and limit testing to 3 times per day, you can limit the cost of over the counter items for diabetes to around $5 PER DAY. Some medical plans will pay for insulin if you have a prescription, so that would cut your costs to $4 per day. Even so, paying another $4 to $5 per day out of their pocket instead of from (pre-tax) HSA funds will be a big hit for many diabetics.

Posted by: Paul M. at 06/09/2010 01:19:25 PM

In regards to comment by [Caron] from 4/10/10, ref. working for govt.and not paying taxes. I don't know where you got your datum, but you are either misled or part of the dis-information network ...!! My dad worked for the Fed.Govt. most of his adult life, plus (30 years U.S.N.) and paid taxes on every dollar. I also wore the uniform and worked 29 years for a government entity. I also paid taxes on every dollar made. Just what B.S. branch did you work for?? Get your facts straight...

Posted by: Sounding Off at 06/11/2010 01:23:18 PM

Nothing is free...well apparently it is. The bottom line with Obama's healthcare bill is to cover those who can not afford healthcare. So that means that the rest of us hard working Americans pay higher taxes so that money can be used to buy the less fortunate healthcare. So if you are one of those less fortunate, guess what...your healthcare is freeeee!!!!!!! We need to stop bills like this! We need to get rid if career politicians! We need to enforce immigration! We need to stop sending foreign aid! The United States has so many internal problems that need attention. If you work hard for your money like I do, and feel you should have the right to spend it on the programs you want instead of the government forcing you, then contact your Senators, Governors and let them know you are outraged at what our government is doing...or for that matter not doing!!!!

Posted by: DDD at 06/12/2010 04:10:36 AM

Some of you have obviously never traveled overseas to see what the "rest of the world" is offering to their people...... Sad really is for the folks that sit at home and just listen to the talking heads.

Posted by: DP at 06/14/2010 03:55:11 PM

How does item #3 in this article increase anybody's taxes?

Posted by: J. Thelen at 06/14/2010 05:21:36 PM

First; if this health care plan is sooo gooood, how come the president and congress opted OUT before it passed into law? I think they would jump on a free ride. Second; you reap what you sow. You want a certain lifestyle; WORK FOR IT. Why should those with ambition give their hard earned cash to a bunch of lazy sob's? The grasshopper and the ant,right? What if everyone decides to let someone else provide for them? This system has never worked any place it has been tried. Learn some history folks.

Posted by: Tommy at 06/15/2010 05:10:19 PM

It's obvious from the comments that many of you saw the headline and skipped right to this part of the page without actually reading the content. All I read above is that our tax situation IMPROVES unless we are a big corporation (Great; set 'em straight and level the playing field) or affluent ($200K annual earnings or more, $250K for couples). As for the medicare/medicaid comment below, say what? This is a different program that handles your healthcare via existing private means (in other words, your same darn plan!!). For those of us who can't afford coverage at all, is it really so bad to have to deal with some bureaucracy, or is it preferable to just let them all die in the streets? Have a heart folks!!

Posted by: Terry C at 06/15/2010 10:45:40 PM

JOE S. Great, you can pay my higher taxes too bimbo...

Posted by: SMT at 06/16/2010 08:42:31 AM

When are people going to start being responsible for themselves and stop expecting other people to take care of them???? This country was built on you WORK for your money and you have the FREEDOM to work multiple jobs to make ends meet if need be. It is not a RIGHT to have all your needs taken care of by someone else if you cant do it your self. Get off you BUTT and work, PAY your own BILLS and take care of yourself Because I DONT want to and should not have too.

Posted by: Sam at 06/16/2010 02:52:46 PM

#3 is not true. Many people are taxed on the value of health care benefits provided by their employer

Posted by: Chims at 06/16/2010 07:44:26 PM

I cannot afford the over $500 a month to pay for employer-offered insurance, so I resent it when people who have the money to buy into these plans say that other people 'choose not to' and waste money on other items. What should I sacrifice to pay for that health insurance? My rent money? Perhaps the electric and phone? Cable costs $30 a month and cutting it will in no way pay for the health insurance. Maybe we could quit eating, but our groceries per month do not equal that amount either... sometimes there is no win. I am not at all a fan of the new healthcare system, but I am also not a fan of being lumped in as people who 'have insurance available and refuse it' for petty reasons. There are plenty of us who refuse it just so we can keep a roof over our heads and feed our children. At this rate I would rather continue as we are - be seen by a doctor when we need to (that 'need' includes vaccinations/yearly visit for children) and pay in monthly incriments with smaller amounts of honestly-earned money - than to fork out an amount almost equal to rent for insurance that will still leave us doing what? Making monthly payments to the doctor.

Posted by: BenR at 06/16/2010 08:29:45 PM

This is nuts! Not to mention Unconstitutional. Wealth redistribution schemes never work, and only serve to impoverish EVERYONE. Do we exist only to serve the government's pleasure? Are we nothing but slaves on the federal plantation? Do we or do we not have a right to the fruits of our own labors? Our founders are rolling over in their grave. While Congress decides to sit on their fat haunches and dictate to us how we will spend our own money! TURN THEM OUT!

Posted by: DZ at 06/18/2010 11:48:41 AM

#3 Seems odd. How exactly will it have a tax implication, as the article title implies, if the amount the employer is required to document on the W2 is not considered taxable? #7 is lame.

Posted by: TLE at 06/18/2010 06:28:10 PM

To JD: referring to the "Cadillac Plan" be careful when saying most americans are already at the cap........I no of NO ONE but government employees that receive $24,000 in medical alone benefits.......Not even close. 80% of us will have little to no affect....unless you tan, you use a flexible spending acct plan or you make over $200,000.00 and report capital gains.

Posted by: robert swank at 06/21/2010 12:31:49 PM

I will be 70 july 19 . When and how much do I have to withdraw from my IRA.

Posted by: D. Bryant at 06/22/2010 03:02:01 PM

"A ban on using funds from flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement arrangements or health savings accounts for the cost of over-the-counter medications, starting in 2011." Can someone answer if this means only medications in the strictest sense? There are many other items such as contact lens solutions, etc. that are currently allowed. Or are these items also lumped under "medications"? Thanks for your help.

Posted by: lakerunner at 06/27/2010 10:55:50 AM

I believe we need to do something and maybe the new health care changes are a start. The intent is certainly good, but we have by far the most expensive health care system in the world. And almost a quarter of the cost is spent in administrative expenses! The rest is prescription drug cost and the rise in the number of for profit hospitals. Go figure how anything is going to make a difference AND provide coverage for the uninsured unless we do something about the way our money is being spent.!

Posted by: GalwayNY40 at 06/27/2010 05:09:46 PM

Thank you for the article on Health Reform Tax hikes. I would like further clarification on item 12 (help buying insurance for low income families) specific to my own circumstances. Both my husband and I are retired. I am 67 and on Medicare and a Supplemental; and my husband is 56 and I continue to purchase under-65 insurance for him through my previous employer. Our income level that is comprised on one Company Pension; Social Security; Interest Income; Dividend income is well below the $88K stated. How will this affect me ?

Posted by: alfred bloomingdale at 06/27/2010 06:07:59 PM

The cost of insurance to foreign countries is ZIP. Our tax dollars pay for foreign aid, which in turn pays for that country,s health care programs. Look at what Israel, and Egypt, get for their aid from us, that money could be used to pay for this country,s health care, not theirs. We would even have some money left over.

Posted by: Sam C. at 06/29/2010 08:03:44 AM

All I have to say about all of this is, I hope everyone that voted for Obama, and helped to put him in the highest office in this country, gets a gut full of all the "B_ _ _ S _ _ _" he and the people behind him put's on this country. It will take the next man that takes his place two terms in the presidents office just to start to clean up the mess this man is going to make of this nation before he is through. This has got to be the biggest joke I have ever seen in my life.

Posted by: TJ at 06/30/2010 09:58:12 AM

If this were going to provide the quality of health care we now have it might be ok but that is not the case. They are already taking money from medicare to pay for the cost of creating electronic health files for the politicians but not for folks like us. This is nothing more than more socialist government control. That is blatent and in your face and if you can't see that then God help us all. If this is so great, why are the folks on Capital Hill not also covered by this plan? This entire bill was ramroded thru by illegal means and bribes and it is unconstitutional and we must make every effort to have to repealed as soon as possible. Those who suported it need to be imprisioned for treason.

Posted by: Harv at 07/03/2010 12:33:10 PM

The easiest solution to pay for this is to take the outrageous amount that we spend on "Defense" and apply it to this program. This would be a better investment than funding the Military Industrial Complex and the immoral wars we create, which averages $500 million a day and taking >30% of ALL of OUR federal income tax! (Warmongers, and their "price of freedom" BS need not reply.)

Posted by: Mary Brown at 07/05/2010 11:24:10 AM

all of the health reform is a joke. but i do not and cannot understand why those that have had health insurance have to be under a penalty for those that have not had insurnace or could not afford insurance for medical reasons. i am a very small business and am just making bills. what will happen to me. i have no employees. i am thinking about providing a space for a couple of people to work. they will not be employees. thank you mary brown

Posted by: Todd at 07/06/2010 04:45:41 PM

Harv writes "Warmongers, and their "price of freedom" BS need not repl"y which is such a crock! As Harv is denouncing "war" our young men and women are in Afghanistan fighting and, yes Harv, dying because Barack Hussein Obama decided that Afghanistan was something to 'focus' on. Trouble is, now Hussein's focus is on improving his golf score as he tries to sweep the fact that our military stays in Afghanistan because of him. These people are fighting for YOUR RIGHT to state what you believe, Harv, even though you are so misguided...

Posted by: BB at 07/07/2010 09:52:53 AM

Some people just CANNOT read or choose NOT to because they cannot incite others if they quote the truth that's right in front of them. The worth of the health insurance added to the W2 is not an issue...ITS NOT TAXABLE. Read the darn text before being vile and disrespectful. It will be interesting to me see how much its actually worth. Here is what the Kiplinger text actually says.... A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011. The amount reported is not considered taxable income.

Posted by: Joseph R Schreiner at 07/07/2010 05:46:33 PM

Your #8 makes mention of a surcharge on incomes of $200,000 on an individual, & $250,000 on couples. I'm already being surcharged $192.00 per month having filed an income tax return on $150,000 + for the year 1998 because of having to sell some property because of health problems. This surcharge started January 1st,2010 & will stay in effect till the end of 2010.It will be reduced by $176.80 per month starting the1st of 2011.The remaining difference will stay in effect the rest of my life. To me, it's just plain thievry. That's how Obama is paying for the free Health care for illegal aliens & dead beats !!

Posted by: Lisa Albertson at 07/08/2010 02:50:35 PM

So, on number three of your tax affects what do you think is the purpose of having the value of your employer provided insurance readily available on your W2 which is reported to the IRS since the item above indicates it is "not considered taxable income"? Is the disclosure for informational purposes or for tax collection at a later date?

Posted by: Bill Abelson at 07/09/2010 02:44:01 PM

I am 100% sure it is for tax collection at a later date. If it was for informational purposes or to show employees how much their employers pay for insurance then the government would only require employers to list the amount on a paystub or enclose the amount on a sheet of paper given to each employee There is no reason to put it on the W2 unless the government will tax it later.

Posted by: John at 07/10/2010 11:11:19 AM

Just What is the purpose of having companys report the cost of health care on W2 forms?Just a prelude to having the Government tax those plans as ordinary income in the following years as competition forces more employees into government plans.Our Federal Government cannot manage the Veterans care plan as a top official admitted on a recent 60 minutes program. There are only three million Vets that they are servicing,not even 1% of the US population. Lots of luck getting treated by Obama care covering 300 + Million

Posted by: TheVegasPatriot at 07/10/2010 03:09:51 PM

JoeS: Regardless of whether your father wanted to burden you with his care...you should have taken the responsibility to help him. Everyone should take responsibility for their parents as their parents took responsibility for them. Lack of family responsibility is one of the biggest problems that plague this country today. Anyone out there who is not or did not take on family responsibility deserves to lie in the gutter for all I care. SOCIALIST POLICIES WOULD NOT REQUIRE DISCUSSION IF WE WOULD ALL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS! And to those of you who refuse to do so…I resent you for taking my son and grandson’s freedom and liberty!

Posted by: Joyce at 07/12/2010 09:42:24 AM

Sorry Joe8 for your father's problems but I am NOT willing to pay more taxes. That is why we should all have emergency funds saved up and there will still be times that are hard. But no reason why I should be forced to help.

Posted by: rick at 07/13/2010 10:10:38 AM

The American dream is that we can all work hard, earn money and retire with millions of dollars. As taxes increase and we pay for those that don't want to work hard and educate themselves then the American dream goes out the window. The government is the less efficient working body of America. So why would you want them to spend your money. There is nothing for fee and when we give up our hard earned wages to the tune of 60% to 70% according to the new taxes then we are enslaved. Our society was built on christian values and that is that we work hard and get paid a reasonable wage. When are people going to wake up and realize that our government is playing us for a fool. Global warming is a scam, social security is a scam, health care is a scam, cap and trade is a scam, unions are scams and they all represent socialism. This is the death of America. Now we have to gay women sitting on the supreme court and we want to call us a christian nation. Last of all who put all these programs into place, "Democrats"

Posted by: Damio at 07/14/2010 04:23:38 PM

Why not move all of the "entitlement" people and those who are sincere in the socialist corner to a socialist country where they will have everything they ever dreamed of. This would leave all those happy who were satisfied with working for a living and taking care of their own lives.

Posted by: Henry Roberson at 07/14/2010 07:53:27 PM

I googled to Kiplingers and number 3 does indeed say that the value of insurance wil be listed on the W-2 but it also says it is not taxable income.

Posted by: GovWorkerInCali at 07/15/2010 01:08:46 PM

Health Care Reform: Bankrupt middle America to implement socialism. Working hard and being responsible just got kicked in the gut. We're all to blame for allowing the media to hide the truth. Until November, instead of bitching, we should be boycotting and protesting the media that hides the truth. No, I'm not a right wing nutjob. I'm a former democrat that has finally woken up and realized that America is purposely being led to destruction. And the main stream media is a willing partner. Tea Party is a minor step in the right direction. I don't know how, but there must be a way to get truth and accountability from the federal dictatorship.

Posted by: Kat at 07/16/2010 11:15:00 PM

If the polls hold until November it looks like a Tsunami is on the way. The Republicans should be able to take over the house and simply not fund this new welfare program.

Posted by: Spud at 07/18/2010 09:30:11 AM

The basic question: Do you believe that the Federal government has the right to force one citizen to serve the needs (wishes, desires, etc.) of another? The implications are painfully obvious.

Posted by: JW at 07/18/2010 03:18:33 PM

The bottom line with this healthcare situation is this: people need to take personal responsibility for their health. Too many overweight people with the diseases that come with that condition alone drain the Medicare system and other health care plans. These long term maintenance issues cost the rest of us who take care of ourselves PROACTIVELY thousands of dollars in premiums and benefit reductions each year. Shape up, America! No pun intended.

Posted by: Jim Buba at 07/19/2010 10:06:01 AM

The ghastly truth is that these are but very few of the taxes hidden within the bill-that-did-not-pass. Rather the resolution to agree to changes in a bill-that-was-signed-but-not-passed did in fact pass. The best defense in this case is to do the Civil Disobedient thing and not participate, not to pay, not to cave, not to release records, not to play and in fact, give them back the ball and teach them all how to play. Enough nonsense. Bring back the tokens (1837) "Millions for Defense, Not one Cent for Tribute (Welfare)".

Posted by: Mark at 07/21/2010 11:19:49 AM

We are a Country divided and a Country divided can not stand.... Where have I heard that before?? We can't agree on anything!!! Healthcare, immigration, Afghanistan, Gulf oil drilling.... Politicians stand and draw party lines in the sand, no one is willing to step across. We are no longer a gov't "For the People, by the People"... Do ya think we could just drop politcal affiliations and finally do something right for this Country??? I bet if we take some of the good ideas from Obamacare and mix in in with some good ole Republican flavor we could really have something.... What do ya think???

Posted by: Tiffany at 07/22/2010 02:51:45 PM

This isTOTALLY outrageous! When I finish school in 2 yrs with my Nurse Practitioner degree, I will A.) Make TOO much money that I will have to not only take care of my four children but ALOT of lazy people and their children also, B.) HAVE to buy insurance that is required for my family and ALOT of other lazy people AND their children, C.) Pay more in taxes for EVERYTHING, D.) Ponder my decision of BETTERING the lives of me and my family by getting a good education and WORKING for our future. EDUCATE YOURSELVES PEOPLE! Take a few History, Government, and Economics classes! This is NO GOOD FOR AMERICA!!! This America is starting to lose DEMOCRACY, PRIDE, MORALS, and eEVERYTHING our founding fathers fought for! We became AMERICA because our founding fathers were tired of regulations, working and paying all their money for someone else to benefit off of, and wanted a chance to DO FOR THEMSELVES!!!

Posted by: Tiffany at 07/22/2010 03:02:05 PM

I like the comment about the people who do have money that are relocating it to another bank out of America. I personally will cash my check from WORKING and making a better life for my family, and deposit it into my own safe. I will build my own vault if I have to, but I refuse to let anybody tell me that what I worked for can or cannot be used for any of the needs I see fit for my family. I will also be brushing up on my other language skills, just in-case it gets TOO costly to be American. I cant allow my children to grow up in a Dictator- runned country. AMERICAN PRIDE VALUES AND FREEDOMS seem to be on the line here!

Posted by: Jim P at 07/26/2010 07:21:49 AM

a "40% excise tax" on my healthcare plan? I have been retired since 1996. Our union bargained in good faith for our benefits. Now the Federal Gav't wants to take another 40% of my income from my health benefit? When I retired my income became "fixed". I get no increases in benefits or income. Now the Feds want to take another 40% because 15% of the population doesn't have health care? I worked 40 years to get my retirement and those that don't work get my money? Obama and his Democratic - Socialist friends are anti-American Fascists. Thanks to all the dumb @sses who voted for them!!!

Posted by: Jo Ann at 07/29/2010 09:23:33 AM

Health Care Reform: 13 Tax Changes on the Way Here are 13 changes in the massive overhaul that could impact your tax bill, for better or worse. By Joan Pryde, Senior Tax Editor, the Kiplinger letters April 5, 2010 3. A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011. The amount reported is not considered taxable income. This is from the health reform law and I when I read it at thomas.gov I interrupted it that will be considered taxable income Comments please.

Posted by: JMC at 07/29/2010 12:35:12 PM

JoeS is thinking emotionally; go ahead and pay higher taxes. Just don't ask me to pay for you, your dad or anyone else. What evidence is there that a Federal forced health insurance will prevent you or anyone else from loosing their life savings to pay for health care? Our current government only knows increased costs & taxes. if you have savings or a house, that will be included next time the "health insurance law is revised". Think with your brain not your bumb.

Posted by: MOLLY at 07/29/2010 07:24:41 PM

I JUST FINISHED READING ALL THESE POSTING N CAN"T BELIEVE ALL THE CRYING BY THOSE WHO HAD OR HAVE GOOD JOBS N WATCHED BUSH N THE REPUBLICANS GIVE AWAY OUR COUNTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS. THAT BUNCH DIDN'T PAY ANY BILLS AND GAVE THE EXCESS MONEY TO HIS RICH FRIENDS. NOW WE ALL PAY THE PIPER N IT DON'T FEEL GOOD. UNTIL THE REPUBLICANS START WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM ALL OBAMAS IDEAS ONE LAST THOUGHT IT TAKES MONEY OR AT LEAST A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE MONEY . I'M OLD ENOUGHT TO REMEMBER MY FRIENDS DADS WORKING ON THE WPA N CC CAMPS [stimulus pkg]. I JUST THINK U R ALL UPSET BECAUSE OBAMA IS KIND HEARTED N REALLY DOES CARE FOR US PEOPLE. ALSO HE IS SMART NBLACK N THAT JUST DOESN'T FLY WHITE THE GREEDY EDUCATED WHITE MEN NOT EVERYONE IS NASTY BUT IF THE SHOE FITS WEAR IT ' TELL U ONE THING I JUST GOT OFF WELFARE N STILL DON'T HAVE MUCH MONEY BUT WITHOUT THE BANK THOSE YEARS..

Posted by: J at 07/31/2010 04:12:31 PM

Molly, one of the first points which should be considered when trying to make an intelligent argument is to properly use the language of choice. Hope is not a plan, it is an emotion. People in this country made an emotional decision between two poor candidates. With an approval rating of 44% is is not a stretch to write that Mr. Obama is generally considered to be doing a poor job. Healthcare reform is/was needed, but not what was done. The fact is this - no matter what your moral, ethical, emotional, or philosophical beliefs are with regard to "universal" health care coverage -- THIS COUNTRY CAN NOT AFFORD IT. Or more specifically stated - we can not afford it at the present standard. Breast cancer survival rates are nearly 10% lower in England (our closest developed country comparison) than here. Age and life expectancy will be considered prior to treatment of complex and expensive diseases. You will not see physicians as a rule, you will see PAs and nurses. These are not emotional statements they are facts that will happen -- there are not enough medical schools in this country to create the necessary number of physicians for the new increased demand... there are not enough now. Sadly, the main diseases in this country are highly preventable and largely linked to obesity and lethargy. These diseases are not the major world killers such as bacteria and parasites which are comparatively tremendously less to treat and diagnose. This systems will only create more of a have and have not scenario. Not everyone in this country gets to be treated at the Mass General (Harvard Med School Hospital) when we fall ill like the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, for example. This system will also not be utilized by our feudal leaders in Washington. Finally, please, please, please stop blaming a President who has not been in office for 2 years. This is unprecedented by any other previous administration. The benefit of being a President is that you get all of the credit when things go well (deserving or not); the drawback is that you get all of the blame when things go wrong (deserving or not). Deal with it.

Posted by: Roni at 08/02/2010 11:50:44 AM

..."Posted by: LM at 03/25/2010 11:13:17 PM JL - this is hilariious! :) 10% tax on tanning services? That explains why John Boehner was so passionately against it. Now it will cost him 10% more to be the house minority carrot." Don't you know that this section of the health destruction bill was written by Maxine Waters to stick it to the white folks? Who will be paying the additional 10%? None of my black friends or my Mexican neighbors use that service. Besides John is very busy fighting evil and doesn't have time to be laying around in a tanning bed, he gets the spray on tan and is not subject to the tax. btw I live in Florida and my tans are free.

Posted by: TC at 08/02/2010 11:56:10 AM

!!!!!!Let the KAOS begin!!!!!!!! (Yes I meant to spell it that way.)

Posted by: Bob Strack at 08/02/2010 01:40:28 PM

Why you ask the poor sucker like me I am tired of getting screwed. We do not get a raise in Social Security.

Posted by: Pete at 08/02/2010 03:26:50 PM

Wow Molly, do you have an original, constructive thought or are you only able to repeat talking points (irrational yelling is too funny)? Basic economics and factual data disproves just about every point you are shrieking about. More tax dollars are collected when more people are working, people in the higher tax brackets do not owe anyone anything and currently pay a disproportionate amount of the tax dollars collected. Point of note is that the democrats have controlled congress since 2006, two years prior to Obamas election. So those evil greedy Republicans were joined by evil, greedy, power hungry Democrats (Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangal, William Jefferson et al) Good for you that you are now off welfare, a government program which is paid for by working people, Democrat and Republican. Are the issues with both parties, yes. To think otherwise is naive. But for government from either party kicking the can with stimulus and cash for clunkers merely hides or defers the inevitable. Case in point would be the Cash for Clunkers program which cost everyone the equivalent of an additional $24,000 per auto sold. (Great ROI there hmm?) Finally, and sadly your rant seems to show you as the only racist here...funny that.

Posted by: RR at 08/05/2010 10:33:54 AM

" My father spent this...my friend had that" Please people do you really still think this about health care? This is a power grab pure and simple. Now you will have THE-IRS (take out the hyphen and it spells THEIRS) in charge of your health care......keep drinking the kool-aid sunshine.

Posted by: J.C.Cavanaugh at 08/10/2010 02:42:41 PM

Why don't some of you come up with solutions ? I am sure President Obama is not too happy, with his inheritance from the republicans.

Posted by: TW at 08/10/2010 09:06:42 PM

Time to clean the septic tanks in November

Posted by: VG at 08/17/2010 11:19:20 PM

QUOTE FROM ABOVE: " it will be years before most of these hikes take a bite out of your -- or your companys -- wallet." 3. A requirement that businesses include the value of the health care benefits they provide to employees on W-2s, beginning with W-2s for 2011. The amount reported is not considered taxable income. JUST A MATTER OF TIME! I wouldn't consider the following to be YEARS from now! A new 40% excise tax, beginning in 2018, on high-cost health plans, levied on the portion that exceeds $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The provision is aimed mostly at gold-plated plans offered by employers, although it can affect individual policies VOTE THEM OUT ASAP

Posted by: Carol at 08/18/2010 10:29:03 PM

I read an article in the AARP booklet that insurance companies are prohibited by law to take away guaranteed benefits such as Dr. visits and hospital care. Anyone know how true this is?

Posted by: Sam at 08/19/2010 07:25:33 AM

Anyone notice the recent news reports? Health care costs are going up for employers. WHY? Because we have to pay for all the Medicaid the government is going to hand out. Who pays for that? The haves.

Posted by: Wyneta at 08/19/2010 04:10:48 PM

My employee health insurance (which I pay 20% of by the way) better not be considered taxable income or u will see a tax revolt in this country the likes haven't been seen since the Revolutionary War!!!!!!

Posted by: Wyneta at 08/19/2010 04:12:22 PM

I thought the health care bill hadn't passed yet anyway What gives?

Posted by: Eugene Casasanta at 08/20/2010 09:42:49 PM

We better work very diligently in getting Obama out of office in the next election. We got to get the republicans back in power, and they had better repeal this entire health care program and all the taxes with it. The republicans who vote to keep the health care should be thrown out in their next election year. We must start getting rid of these spenders; we are 13 trillion dollars in the whole. Were in serious trouble as a nation and if the middle class people don't start voting these spenders out of office, we will have no middle class.

Posted by: Jillian at 08/22/2010 12:44:28 PM

Answer: NO ONE FILE A RETURN.

Posted by: Henry at 08/23/2010 08:57:14 AM

The bad news is this reform will bankrupt the country. The good news is that when bankrupt those who voted for this will no longer get paid their lifetime retirements and will no longer have any insurance whatsoever.

Posted by: Stephan W Gaichin at 08/23/2010 04:42:36 PM

The right has been jumping up and down about how we will be taxed on our employer funded health care. Maybe I don't know how to read double speak or it is plainly written, not taxable income! Read the comments, clearly ,people either don't read the article they are commenting on , or have been so biased by the hate for the "other" party that they cannot see the forest for the trees! I personally had my reasons to NOT vote for the lesser of two evils, so I voted for a green one ! What we got could be better, and it could be a lot worse!

Posted by: Go Silver at 08/24/2010 11:10:37 AM

I ran a small business, sold it and now work on commission. I paid for my own health insurance and still do. Guess what: I ALWAYS paid taxes on my health insurance premium from gross income! So this is nothing new to many of us who pay for our own private health insurance. Quit crying crocodile tears, all you who are so fortunate to have employer health coverage, free or discounted. Pay your share when it gets taxed.

Posted by: nygrump at 08/24/2010 07:20:23 PM

"Margaret Thatcher said it best, "The problem with Socialism is you always run out of other people's money." Jeez that sounds like corporatism as well!

Posted by: Ira Allstadt at 08/25/2010 04:02:21 PM

Here's one that Kiplinger missed. Under the final bill passed by both houses HR3590 SEC 9001 here is what it says: If you are self only or other than self only, you will pay an Excise Tax of 40% of your Health Care employer paid benefit of $8,500 or $23,000 respectively. What this means is that your tax bill will go up as the following example: Employer paid amount is 10,500 - 8,500 = 2,000 * 40% = $800.00. Just remember that the Democrats exempted the Unions from this.

Posted by: Joanne at 08/25/2010 05:36:46 PM

All these comments are encouraging--Americans ARE thinking and worried about the direction of our country. I am even hopeful that states rights will prevail and NULLIFICATION will take place.

Posted by: Lisa at 08/28/2010 12:36:42 PM

I agree that nothing is free, but, with 10% of homes in foreclosure now and an overall unemployment rate (including those who could only find part time jobs or became so discouraged that they stopped working) estimated at between 16-18%, is it really the time to start threatening people with jail if they can't afford insurance....hmmm...health insurance....food and a home....which would you choose?

Posted by: charles at 08/29/2010 11:05:43 AM

The NEW WORLD Guide Lines are :100% Hittler LAW! 84%of Americans will be TOLD what to do and How to Live! Thanks to :Your New World Order NON American President mr.oboma! Send him a Message! The Insurance coverage`s Americans will be forced to have should be in forced on Elected Officals who are Voted in to Office to Protect and Serve All Americans as all Law Makers! We the People of America say this is Crooked U.S.Policies! To Take away from Working Americans to give Billions of Your Working Tax Dollors Over Seas! Mrs, R.Clinton,,,,,,,,,,,,Stop Giving away Our hard Earned Tax Dollors! If you work In America! Thats were the Tax Dollors Stay!Mrs.Clinton,,,,,GIVE YOUR MONEY AWAY if you Want! Stop Taking Americans Tax Dollors away !!!!!

Posted by: pal at 08/29/2010 07:44:43 PM

what's everyone so worried about? the world will be ending soon, according to the mayans. lol

Posted by: alvin smith at 09/04/2010 05:13:30 PM

Having been in the medical profession all my life and I am 76. I have one question to ask about our health care; when was the last time you saw a man or woman sitting along side the road or street with their leg cut off and NOBODY DOING ANYTHING TO HELP THEM? If you say you have seen this happen, I think you are a democrat and a DAMN liar.

Posted by: Retired at 09/13/2010 04:39:26 PM

Does #3 (reporting health premiums on the W2) affect the alternate minimum tax? Will retired employees who receive no other income from the company, receive a W2, just for this amount?

Posted by: Pat at 09/14/2010 05:44:37 PM

#13 When you're in business, a non-deductible fee is a fine. Hope to see it challenged in court along with the rest of this debacle.

Posted by: Ashley at 09/15/2010 06:23:08 PM

Just ask any doctor what they think of the new health care bill, and they will say no way hosay!

Posted by: ICE at 09/19/2010 06:20:47 AM

C how do you think JD got to be a "high income earner"? Could it be he was always looking for the easy way out and never applying himself or could it be he studied and work he butt off in order to have a better life? He got to where he is, you know, "the good life" by working hard and applying himself. An opportunity that all Americans have......if they want it. So does it P me off to pay high taxes, or if you will redistribute the wealth..........YES IT DOES. By the way C, I bet my donations to charity and my church only pale to yours.

Posted by: jack sprat at 09/28/2010 09:09:28 AM

JD wrote this on 3/24/10: " Addendum: the "Cadillac Tax" is not indexed to inflation, and even at present amounts, a typical working professional at a big company's plan already falls under this category. The corporate rank-and-file across America will suddenly cost their employers thousands more than they did before, UNLESS their coverage gets a significant downgrade. How do you think that will play out? Oh wait, even Obama and the CBO have said they expect that. Possible irony - while all our plans are cut, the plans that lower income people buy with our tax subsidies might, in fact, be BETTER than ours! " I, too, realized this at the time. What truly astounded me is that this is JD's is the first comment, other than my own, that I've since come across that picked up on this. Not a single one of the many articles by the so-called experts (and media trolls) mentioned it. I have a theory why this is so: THIS RESULT, seemingly untoward, IS THE ACTUAL PURPOSE of the Obama Plan. Why so? Because the pain that it would/will cause for tens of millions of people will, the Libtards hope, tilt the balance of public opinion in favor of an eventual, universal National Health Insurance Plan. I.E., government pays, one-size-fits-all. There was always a chance for a truly effective health care reform which wouldn't leave the poor (or just the working poor) behind--one very much like Germany's private-insurer plan, which constrains the unconscionable profits of the pill pushers, the medical equipment makers, the medical specialists, the lawyers, et al. NONE of the special interests who routinely BRIBE our elected officials wanted that. NOR did the doctrinaire socialists, who prefer something like England's or Canada's systems. ALL of the ideologues and ALL of the special interests, on both sides of every issue, are invested in the current mess continuing, whether in its current state of slowly reducing us to third world status, or pushing the reset button for a pinker world.

Posted by: Cathy at 09/30/2010 07:15:18 AM

Those of you who think this is a wonderful plan should just take a look at Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Post Office, and all the other programs run by the government. They are all heading toward insolvency if they aren't already there. As a Medicare recipient, they already impose a means test. If your income is over a certain level, you pay much higher premiums. As someone enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan, Obama and AARP have worked together to cut these programs because they offer more than your regular Medicare. These plans are like regular insurance instead of the welfare-type Medicare. Like others posted here, we have cut our income so that we don't have to pay the higher premiums. Unfortunately, seniors will bear the brunt of cutbacks in care as the government will take $500 billion out of the program with millions of baby-boomers entering into it. If they don't increase the payment to doctors, many of them will refuse to see Medicare patients, and this is happening already. This socialistic program will not work. Great Britain is already revamping their program by firing thousands of bureaucrats and letting the doctors work directly with the patients to decide their care. Canada is creating more private health care, and in both cases, they can no longer afford the cost. This is what will happen in the US unless we repeal this monstrosity and replace it with a more common-sense approach. Let people be responsible for their own health care and receive tax credits for it. We don't need to hire 16,000 new IRA agents at billions of dollars and create over 100 new government agencies to make the rules governing your health care. My hope is that if the Republicans take the House in Nov. they will defund this program until we get a new president in 2012 and it is repealed, unless the courts throw it out before. Just remember, nothing in life is free and someone pays the bills.

Posted by: N. Taxman at 09/30/2010 01:35:04 PM

Re inclusion of health care benefits' value on tax forms: Who/how will determine the value? Regarding retirees, will the benefits' value appear on the 1099-R tax forms? Regarding gov't and military, how are their (both active & retired) benefits evaluated?

Posted by: Jennifer at 10/01/2010 10:06:54 AM

I agree this sucks but why does everyone keep saying we have to pay for the health coverage amount that will be on our W-2. I clicked on the link and read the actual laws going into effect and it states that that amount is NOT taxable???? It will be listed and that is it.....Please clarify if someone is seeing something different....

Posted by: Mary at 10/02/2010 01:05:34 PM

I do not understand item 3. It says employers will be required to report the value of their employer provided health plans on their W2's but the amount reported is not considered taxable. If it is not taxable, why the necessity for reporting it to the IRS????

Posted by: TB at 10/05/2010 07:56:38 PM

Freedom is not free. Please give drug test to people before giving them benifits. IF you work then you or your spouse works then I am OK with an increase. I just hate the lazy and criminals will get everything for free. Share the wealth so I can teach my kids that if you don't work you can have everything for free. What a brilliant idea. I just need a free house and I will never have to work.




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